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SHODAN · 2019-02-13 17:42
What do you lains think are the most important books, videos, resources in the DIY/Survival sense one would need in case the internet would be completely shutdown ?
With censorship on the rise everywhere, even in """democracies""", it is my fear that all this wealth of information is endangered. Who know what skills, what knowledge one would need in the future ? This thread is supposed to be an open discussion, on the subjects that are the most important to learn.
Right now, I am assembling a fuarrrking huge library of knowledge, and am afraid I'll miss something important. Hopefully I should soon have something decent to share (as in, not a complete mess like some open directories).
As an idea, some of the content I possess come from websites like those:
http://the-eye.eu/
https://booksc.org/
https://ebooks-it.org/
https://www.medicosideas.com/
The essential topics would be mostly the basics of thinks like psychology, medicine, chemistry, botany, tinkering, electricity, electronic...
But I am probably missing subjects.
Eldon Tyrell · 2019-02-14 03:59
imagine you're an ignorant but intelligent group of creatures, the first of their kind, born into a completely undeveloped, uncivilized world. first you'd need to know how to find water, food, and shelter. then you'd want to know how to build a sustainable community. some form of language. writing. defense. medicine. engineering. how to mine ore and smelt metals, how to build things like vehicles, roads. agriculture. mathematics, physics, chemistry biology, astronomy. energy production. scientific method...
Joe Bloggs · 2019-02-14 06:36
Depends on what you mean by "shut down".
Shut down as in destroyed by an EMP in a nuclear exchange, or a technological breakdown from some other disaster? Or a sociopolitical crackdown on free communication, self expression and what material you are allowed to read or possess?
Because your digital archive would be a different stash for post-apocalyptic and dystopian scenarios, albeit with some crossover, as so doubt there could be some crossover between scenarios.
Yu-ichi · 2019-02-14 14:07
>>2701
What would be good resources on those subjects, if you know any ? For agriculture a start would be books on permaculture, circular economy and the like, chemistry well the basics of it... but building things like vehicles, roads, I have no idea where to start.
>>2702
This is a good point. I was referring to how the UE for example is trying to push through censorship with things like article 13; things like torrent websites being constantly harassed...
Ideally for all cases, although this might be a big thing to pull out. Maybe a start would be the basics, like getting to a good level of DIY. Because no matter what happen, you'll need to be decent at DIY, no matter if you're facing mutant bears, famine or a dystopian society.
Right now my digital archive contains information on medicine, physics, chemistry, biology, physics... I guess having a clearer threat model would help, you highlighted several.
Koichiro · 2019-02-14 17:34
for roads, sewers, water supply, etc,... civil engineering. for powered vehicles and other machines, mechanical engineering, chemical engineering, electrical engineering. in fact, after the best world-class books on survival, homesteading, group organization, military defense you might want the best possible textbooks in each branch of engineering, math, and science.
also, assuming lack of language, you'd want a picture dictionary as a sort of rosetta stone, and grammar/usage books, so people could even begin to read the other books. some good classic literature might help in this regard.
Hououin Kyouma · 2019-02-15 02:49
http://www.pssurvival.com/
These guys were expecting a catastrophic global magnetic pole shift in 2012, obviously that didn't happen, but they accumulated a pretty comprehensive archive of texts on the skills you'd need to run a village with no external help.
Jim Hilger · 2019-02-15 02:59
while digital media is good to have, physical books tend to be a more proven method of data storage, requiring no special equipment (such as electrical infrastructure) to retrieve data from. Cloud based storage is also a terrible idea since internet is not stable in a survival scenario.
for subjects, I would break it into 3 categories
FOOD
>growing plants
>raising animals
>hunting
>biological effects of plants, animal products, and minerals/chems (includes medical know how)
>water purification
SHELTER
>construction methods
>building repair
>infrastructure (electrical, heat, cleaning)
>waste disposal (sewage/trash)
>area defense (probably military manuals/ structural barriers)
>weather observation and forecasting
TRANSPORTATION
>vehicle repair
>mobile defense (including weapons)
>skills (maps/ topography, navigation, flying/boating/driving)
>communication (HAM/CB)
Hitomi · 2019-02-15 06:35
>>2713
Of course but We are now talking about sharing the info, storing comes later, also you kinda reminded me about https://github.com/timwaters/paperback I know is a joke. It would be useful with attached text explaining how to decode and build a scanner.
Turner · 2019-02-23 18:24
>>2713
People always forget the reference guides and machines to metal working, the true miracles of the modern age, which is probably among the most important skills in society since it is literally the entirety of our industrial base will never stop regardless of events.
H.R. Giger · 2019-02-24 02:17
Mathematics and Philosophy
Pragmatics
Culture
Mathematics and Philosophy are always first, always in that order. Mathematics is most important because it is very permissive and very efficient, and results mathematics, which contains the best ways to do things. Philosophy is also important as a "frontier" of knowledge, without Philosophy, we would be stuck in our existing world view, though Philosophy has been known to spontaneously emerge.
Pragmatics are always second because when they are informed by Mathematics, they are even better than when they are not. Pragmatics are ''the'' thing that we will focus on doing most of the time, because our primary objective is to survive. however we will not focus ''all'' our efforts on Pragmatics, because if we do, we will lose sight of innovation, which requires some extra expenditure upfront without guarantees that any particular direction towards innovation will bring us closer to innovation. it is also important to not focus all effort on Pragmatics because they are not the end of life, they are the means for which we do:
Culture. Culture is important because that is the real reason we are alive--to live well! Culture is also important because it helps up find new ways to do things.
i would say that the works that we save should be guided by the above. the question, of course, becomes: which Mathematical works do we save? which Philosophical works do we save? which Pragmatic works do we save? which Cultural works to we save?
for Mathematics, i suggest full courses on the philosophy, foundations, fundamentals, and each topic, of Mathematics, as well as a collection of drills for the mastery of all mathematics.
by fundamentals, i mean everything that each Mathematician ought to know. by topics, i mean those interesting parts of Mathematics which aren't part of the other parts as described above.
a similar selection should occur for Philosophy.
what is saved as Pragmatics will depend on the situation of each person.
each person ought to decide for themselves what they will save as Culture.
it would be interesting to hear everyone's thought's on the matter. what constitutes a good full course in each of those parts of Mathematics, Philosophy.. what Pragmatics would be worth saving for you? what Cultures are you supporting?
this is, of course, an outline of what works to support. the question of how to choose particulars stands. even still, these would be merely ''what'' to support. the question stands of how to support them. one thing that is important is to try to ensure that all these things never die by preventing catastrophy. that means redundant distributed physical and digital backups, that means providing always-available services to let anyone make copies of these. that means making sure there is no way for anyone other than the owner of a copy to destroy that copy. think of all the anonymous, pseudonymous, distributed, peer to peer, robust, flexible,, service hosting techniques. have a publication strategy for each possible publication technique. ensure it never dies. what other sorts of publication techniques are available?
>storing comes later
storing comes first, sharing comes next. without storage, where will you put it all?