Sleeping

Sleeping is like kicking dead whales down the beach. I just started a 9-5 and it's terrible not having a lot of free time. I was wondering if anyone had experimented with different sleep schedules or had any tips. I am definitely not gonna be able to do anything to change my sleep schedule since I need to be up for like 10 hrs straight but if anyone has tips I'd appreciate it.

>>2181 This does seem like an interesting subject. Sleeping does definately take up a lot of your time, allthough not getting enough sleep and irregular sleeping schedules seem to cause problems with motivation and sometimes even depression, so it might not actually add any actual productive time. It seems pretty interesting to find the right medium and to hear from people who tried some wierd sleeping schedules.

I never tried those different sleep schedule, they take too long to show some result (a few weeks, during which you are really tired). And good luck finding an employer that can tolerate you suddenly stopping any kind of work because you need to take a nap. It would depend on where you work and what is your work. You can attack this on the short term. Go to sleep earlier, much earlier, and get up earlier. This way, you get up with time to do what you want. Cut the crap when you go home, no stupid soykaf like TV. Long term, aim for financial independence, or at least a way to work part-time. More time for you.

>>2181 I tried experimenting with stuff like that but gave up at the end, trying to do a normal person sleep routine and it has improved a lot my anxiety and depression. Would be so nice to have more free time tho, but for me is just not worth it since I feel like soykaf on my extended free time. Hopefully it works for you tho.

>>2201 I wanna be on a normal schedule but I'm always staying up at least an hour too late.I'm wondering if I do 1 hr nap right after and before work with a 4hr sleep in the middle if It'll be enough

I would think about it differently; sleep is really, really important for being healthy, happy, adjusted and productive. it's not wasting time. believe me, i wish i had a switch i could just flick so i could turn off my need for it some nights... but it's purposeful, so just roll with it. cutting down on coffee & sugar keeps my energy so much more balanced and equal.,, and thus i end up needing less sleep because my body doesn't need to "catch up". if you feel like you don't have enough time to do the stuff you really want to... maybe have a look at your habits and see if there's something you can cut down on instead... eg do you really need to browse news sites for an hour each morning... or play vidya so much or... whatever... this might not apply to your situation, but just a friendly suggestion :)

Here's some information about some sleep-related drugs that I know of: Melatonin is a hormone involved in regulating the sleep cycle. As a drug, it can be used to fall asleep faster, treat jet lag, treat sleep phase disorders, and may also deepen sleep. It's non-prescription and widely available (although, the typical drugstore doses are way too high). Some links: http://www.gwern.net/Melatonin http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/12/did-a-melatonin-patent-inspire-current-dose-confusion/ Modafinil is a wakefulness-promoting drug. It can be used to increase alertness during the day, reduce need for sleep, or skip a night of sleep with little penalty. It's prescription-only but available online and apparently not enforced. There's also a related drug, adrafinil, that is non-prescription, though less effective and with some other risks. See: http://www.gwern.net/Modafinil I've been using melatonin for a while now. It definitely helps me fall asleep faster but I haven't investigated it's other uses. I haven't tried modafinil myself yet.

I'm doing a new process where I get in bed by 00:00. It doesn't matter if I watch anime until 6 am, as long as I'm in bed. I hope it will finally break my habit of sleeping days

>>2295 I tried this once. It just made me realize laying in bed and not sleeping was great. Then I'd be up all night.

>>2201 I always have more anxiety and depression when I sleep during a normal sleep routine. I'm extremely happy during nighttime hours and depressed during the day. I've never quite understood that. But most of my life has been spent staying up all night. I wonder if it's possible for one to be born with a circadian rhythm disorder? Doctor's I've asked don't want to even acknowledge that my theory could exist. >>2181 I'm definitely interested in this, especially maybe figuring out a specific hourly pattern for 2 sleep cycles. I can somewhat function running on 4 hours but not for an extended amount of time beyond 12-14 hours. I start to get really tired and to the point where I'm crashing hard. Then if I continue to do it for so many days I'll end up sleeping for 12-16 hours at a time. >>2227 I've used melatonin, but it always makes me sleep a lot longer than I'd like to. Usually anywhere from 10-14 hours. Medication just never really works well with me. I've even taken extremely small dosages still on average I get the same results. Also I've noticed my mood changes with using melatonin as well. I become very disoriented and unmotivated as well.

>>2181 i switched to a paleo diet and i feel a different more useful awakeness on less sleep than before especially late evening. I still eat sugar and wheat products every time i go to my grandmas (because she my grandma) and it takes me about 1.5days before i can get back to normal. Some tips if you feel like giving it a shot. 1.Dont talk to anyone in meat space about diet ever. 2.Metabolism and constitution changes in humans are slow and a "cheatday™" once a week will absolutely ensure system dependency. 3.Intestinal health is the is the final inform

I'm kinda doing the biphasic cycle right now, expect I sleep the 1 hour in the evening, around 7pm, after eating, and then go to bed late (~2am) to get another 5-6 hours of sleep. I work 9-5. No idea how I ended up here but It works pretty well and feels good as I can stay up really late and I'm just more productive and generally feeling better at night. Thought this is a bad habit if anything (just compensating missing sleep) but apparently it's something you can actually do? Maybe I should put in a little bit of research into making the best out of this. No Idea if sleeping in the evening instead of midday has any downsides. Biggest problem to this of course is that you get quite sleepy at ~7pm, which is bad if you've got appointments or friends or such conundrums.

At a time, I had been on a 48hr schedule. It's not impossible, I don't think the effefcts from lack of sleep fully balances out the extra time (slight loss in cognitive ability and increased apathy)

>>2346 I was thinking about doing this, but I was afraid about being sleepy at 7pm. Not because of friends and such, but because where I live that's the only time I have to buy groceries before the supermarkets close (and after leaving work). Has anyone achieved something like this while working a 9-5? I was thinking maybe I could try to do the everyman cycle. First and last naps would be before and after going to work. The tricky one, I would find a quiet place in or around the office to sleep during lunchtime

>>2181 PureDoxyk wrote a small book on Polyphasic sleep and Steve Pavolina wrote a blog where he claimed to keep uberman for a year.

If you think normal sleep kicks dead whales, wait until you get a little ways into one of these neurotic polyphasic things. It is AWFUL. No long-term health studies have been done, because nobody has a reliable claim to have done this for decades of their lives. Rest assured though, it's very bad for you. Low-quality sleep is worse for human health than a lot of shockingly bad habits. The adaptation period is utter torture, but even after that has passed you are still having a very miserable life. Just a lot less miserable relative to the transition. My friend and I tried it for a few months. It's not worth it whatsoever. Maybe if you have that gene they talk about, but if you have that then you could just get away with staying up later and waking up at the same time. >We need to adapt to living and sleeping in a 24/7 world No we absolutely fuarrrking don't. Give in to this and your productivity overlords will only keep demanding more. We don't need to offer up our natural circadian rhythms on the altar of capitalism. The only one of these cycles that is somewhat acceptable is the biphasic cycle. That's actually closer to how early humans slept. Stay up much later, don't sleep in a big monolithic chunk, nap during the hottest part of the day.

>>2300 >I always have more anxiety and depression when I sleep during a normal sleep routine. I'm extremely happy during nighttime hours and depressed during the day. I've never quite understood that. But most of my life has been spent staying up all night. I wonder if it's possible for one to be born with a circadian rhythm disorder? Doctor's I've asked don't want to even acknowledge that my theory could exist. I have the exact same issue, but i've given up tryig to explain it. Ive just about had no relationship with another human who hasn't given me soykaf for it. Add a few more idiosyncrasies to the mix and you have social withdrawal.

>>2227 Ive been interested in modafinil but I am afraid it could negatively impact my anxiety. Even when I get decent sleep I always feel sleepy in the day especially after lunch time. >>2300 I'm sorry you have issues with anxiety and sleeping, lainon. It absolutely is like kicking dead whales down the beach. I hope you get well and when you do let us know how you treated it. >>2345 Ive been considering a diet change as well to see if that helps me with not just sleep but also some of my depression/anxiety, but some of it is seasonal though

A sign of maturity is learning to love sleep and acknowledge how important it is, that includes not making meme cycles and focusing on getting a big block of quality sleep time if you can.