Making money and stuff

So I've been thinking lately about how to make money, programming has a lot of annoying clients to deal with, and I don't like doing it for others, I prefer to do it for my own sake anyway. But it can be tolerable as a job. The goal here is to make as much money so that I can buy myself shelter food clothes and all the basic stuff I need to function, and some time on the side, to work on what I actually like. I've considered many things and I'd like to hear your own thoughts about how to become financially self-sufficient enough to do what you like when you like to. I personally considered daytrading as a sort of income I can achieve from home, without having to go out at all, without time limits, without having to interact with the people I don't like, and it doesn't have limits to how much you can potentially make or lose. Some say it's a gamble, most of the people I saw doing it were scammers who wanted to sell courses with a few exceptions. But I personally think it is something one can master, it's not a complete gamble. I also considered those things, small websites with a niche use, some use AI to do stuff like change the voice or stuff, and I genuinely had no idea what to do, and I didn't feel good about it, despite being a good opportunity to make some passive money I didn't want to do it, although having zero idea what to do may have been a decisive factor in that desicion My personal experience so far has been interesting, and I'd like to hear yours as well, and if there's any other methods that match the criteria please do suggest.

If you're trying to avoid actually working for any sort of client then your only option is gambling on day trading or crypto. If you have programming skills you can try to write bots that will out perform casual day traders and crypto bros After that you're looking at work that minimizes actual contact with clients. Generating AI slop and trying to get ad money from it is about as low contact as you can go. After that you have to deal with people. There's really no other ways to get "passive income" unless you have lots of capitol already. Even then it's not so much about you not having to deal with people as much as it's people having to deal with you.

>>12954 A lot of stuff works, as long as you have a good business model and experience. Try something you're good at. I find actual purpose important, making something that has actual value for people and makes their life easier. Some people choose to do this marketing/sales/droppshipping/arbitrage/slop content stuff in order to make money (which is fine if you're good at it), but when you could look around at inconveniences and instabilities in your and other people's lives, and not only make something useful and fulfilling, but do it in an unsaturated market, it might be worth considering. Of course, you need experience. It will take a few attempts to actually start getting money from something. Don't be afraid to abandon projects that feel like a dead end even if you've invested time and money into them. In the meanwhile between actually getting something to work, try to get a job that gives you money to live off of + experience/time, or a formal education. As >>12968 said, passive income is not real outside of investing large amounts of cash and maybe automating some niche thing. But even automated processes go wrong and require monitoring and tweaking and maintenance.

>>12969 >automated processes require monitoring and tweaking and maintenance. this is sadly always true but having to update automated processes once a year is clearly much less work than a regular job. You can call it passive in scope of the comparison. Strictly speaking you will need to do taxes yearly anyway. There is never a point where you get absolute peace. I think there is also something to be said about building a portfolio of software that sells itself as passive income - you need to update it as OS changes stop software from working but done right the changes require updates once a decade. If you produce a lot of even low selling products during your working life then you have many income sources with low maintenance. The real problem i see with longterm passive income from software products is seo aka customers finding you and secondary others copying your product. Competition is only growing so its highly debatable if its possible to maintain income from software projects.

Hi Lainons, OP here thought I'd give an update. I currently have a job as a PC helpdesk guy who works for a company which works with several organizations, we repair their pcs, monitors, printers, with a heavy focus on printers. it's a dull job and it involves talking to people but it pays for now. I started daytrading in my off hours on a demo account, thinking of going to a prop later on, not the main concern. And they weren't lying, this is hard, but everytime I go to work I get reminded why I want to do this. Oh and I personally think it's interesting. Although, it is probably the most fraudulent industry on earth, everyone is trying to sell you something. As for >>12969 , yeah, this may be a stepping stone in the long term and I may use the money I have earned to fund a business of my own, or something, idk yet. I guess I'll start thinking about it once I get enough money to actually do something.

There are two threads in λ that may be of interest to you, with discussion and book recommendations: >>>/λ/40428 Market Research Thread >>>/λ/40425 Algorithmic Trading

>>13075 >I started daytrading in my off hours on a demo account I'm pretty sure these demo accounts are a scam. I did this when I was a teenager, and quadrupled my "money" investing in some Chinese stock. Thank goodness I had my head screwed on and saw this was too good to be true.

Manage peoples websites, literally just set them up with a WIX account and then charge them like $100-150 a month to update and post when the business has sales or whatever. Do this for 10 businesses and you will get minimum $1000. Call it a comprehensive "business web manager" service. Sure they could do it for free themselves, but the people are retarded.

>>12954 timing the market in crypto is a disaster recipe get a job loser

>>13082 Hell yeah, thanks anon, I think I'll dive into the Algorithmic trading. >>13108 I've seen people make it work, over a long period of time, and it makes sense, you can't always be the loser. >>13093 Could work, maybe I'll try this as well, as an extra source of income

GICs and ETFs are 0/lower risk that day trading. Overall I lost 12k from the gme fiasco in 2021, and the recent tarrif fiasco in April. I'm staying away from that nonsense now, and I'd caution you from it as well. I've you're really needing extra cash, get a second job as a server/bartender.