Permaculture

The practice and principles of Permaculture are one of the most important tools for not only creating a sustainable socialism, but also for repairing the damage done to the global ecosystem by capitalism, and lessening your individual reliance on the current capitalist system.Permacultural practice and socialism are two very powerful allies, and learning about permaculture should be necessity for modern socialists and communists.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf.)

When there is enough of everything for everone, and no one is allowed to monopolize anything, and overpopulation is not allowed to happen, then people can live without leaders or government in a kind of natural anarchistic socialism. But there have to be effective methods in place to maintain the "enough for everyone" part, and prevent anyone from monopolizing anything, and prevent overpopulation from happening. If it was possible, it would be a lovely, lovely way for people to live.

Please don't conflate a technique and an ideology. You're the reason Ted K. wrote about "leftists".

>>12647 Ted K? Maybe next you can mail me a manifesto.

https://permies.com/ https://www.mastodonvalleyfarm.com/ https://www.thehighersidechats.com/peter-allen-mastodon-valley-farm-permaculture-the-wilderness-myth/ https://newforestfarm.us/ And could you have picked a worse flippin image for the op?

A few years ago I read this book, A Small Farm Future. It is more of a technical and data driven breakdown of what the author believes will be the structure of food production systems after the collapse of global supply chains and megacorporations. He believes that things will become more locally focused and less carbon energy-dependant not only because it's a common goal, but because of nessecity. More like "it's going to happen, how should we manuver as it happens". to be honest it's not the best book I've read, I think it takes a long time to get to its main points. The main ideas of each chapter *could* be pretty easily communicated in like 3 or 4 bullet points (though I suppose that's true of any publication? Just the feeling I got) In relation to permaculture, the best point he argues is the difference in harvesting from Skims versus Stores. A store of a good is an output that consumes the good and the producing method at the same time. Skimming would be taking from an output that is continuously generated and renewable, or in some form of ongoing system or lifecycle. For example: a chicken has skims in the form of eggs, or stores in the form of meat. A cow has skims of milk (lol) and stores of meat. An example other than food, he argues that a deposit of coal or oil is a store, while solar/wind are a skim. Permaculture systems are more likely to be this type of system, like a food forest.

Key to a sustainable socialism is overcoming the harmful intellectual baggage that has held back socialism in the 19th and 20th centuries. Marx was a double edged sword. He helped create the "scientific" socialist obsession with industrialization and environmental destruction. The three problems are: 1. Rejection of market mechanism 2. Obsession with heavy industry and bureaucracy 2. Atheism and totalitarian rationalization of all areas of life.

>>12644 Permaculture typically is not efficient enough to produce staple crops with high calorie content. Good for vegetables and herbs used for flavour or vitamins.

>>12729 I'm hardly an expert, but from what I understand, permaculture resembles traditional multi-cropping techniques that have been used for centuries which include staple tubers like cassava. What do you see as the issue here?

>>12697 There is no such thing as a post scarcity society without environmental massacre and industrialism ramped up to Dyson sphere sized planet destruction for materials. At least nothing realistically attainable in this reality. Best is small communities who farm, no tech, because Hi-Tech means destruction of the environment by virtue of materials needed to create such things.

>>12697 boiling everything down to a singular slop with no diversity doesn't sound very sustainable, to be honest. imagine planning for a single point of failure.

>>12646 Overpopulation doesn't exist. More people means more minds to figure out how to increase the number of people that can be supported. http://www.juliansimon.org/writings/Ultimate_Resource/

>>12743 There may or may not be a possibility of a post scarcity society, we will have to see since we've never been in this kind position where the environmentally and who knows how bad it will get. But there have been, and in a few rare pockets of the world still are, pre-scarcity societies. Look at many non-industrial with little to no traditional agriculture indigenous tribes around the world, native Americans before European settlement took place for a good example. Not that there weren't ever times of scarcity due to certain circumstances, but for the most part these people knew how work with the land they lived in to provide all the food they needed. There was work of course because life is work, but when nature is abundant around you, you don't need to work to obtain food, it's all around you. Catching salmon is easy when there are masses of them. Similarly, all animals other than humans are like that. This is the origin of the story of humans being expelled from the Garden of Eden. The Garden of Eden still exists all around, but many humans are separated from it. In the story, after finding themselves no longer in the garden one of the sons becomes a farmer and offers up his farmed goods to God as an offering. God (Eden) rejects it because farming is fundamentally unnatural, and the result is rejection of that message, the first murder and the start of the path many humans are still on now. Murderous and trying to force God to serve us not the other way around.

I just want to put a word out for one of my favorite reads: David Holmgren's "Future scenarios". David Holmgren, if you don't know, is one of the two originators of the idea of "permaculture".

>>12743 This isn't true at all. It depends what you mean by post-scarcity. Does post-scarcity mean everyone has an SUV and an American suburban 4-bedroom house? fuarrrk no It means we have super ecologically efficient commie blocks and permaculture based local food production, with less emphasis on "consumer goods" that serve no clear purpose.

>>12982 It also means we have enough resources to handle some haha funy antics of some people illing to drink liters of bad stuff

>>12780 This website seems interesting, but from the snippets I read it is foolish and rhetorical. 1. Some shamelessly inflated ethnicities contribute nothing. e.g. India. They are nearly a fifth of the world, and all these poop-smeared inbreds can't accomplish a fraction of what much smaller European countries do regularly, in every way from academics to athletics. Check the Olympic medals per capita. We do not live in a civilization that cultivates ingenious minds, we live in a civilization that keeps subhuman slaves alive for the convenience of their labor. 2. The resource running out predictions are wrong not just because tech gets better at extraction, but because as the resources become scarcer the cost of extraction increases the price, so the resources are used more sparingly. Yes we may never run out of oil, no we will not be using oil for everything forever. 3. There are fundamental limits to physics, to what you can engineer. When we press up against these limits, our efforts produce diminishing marginal returns. There is a most efficient engine. There is a perfectly smooth ship hull completely proofed against biowasting. The avenues of progress are finite in number, in depth and critically in the energy savings reaped. I do place my hopes upon the ultimate circumvention of these limits but I would be surprised if we had any definite progress against entropy at all in the next 1000 years.