Self-Sustaining NEET Home

Let's say that I wanted to embrace a NEET lifestyle but do so in a way that doesn't involve me rotting away, as in I want to minimize the amount of interaction I have with the outside world and just find a way to exist as much as I can inside my house. What could I do to maximize my chances of being able to subsist at home without having to step outside if there isn't a necessary need for it? Obviously, a source of income is going to be necessary; remote jobs and most likely programming/software are going to be the best avenues for this. Are there other forms of income that can be managed entirely from home? Are there other passive income options as well? Food is another issue; is it possible to design an indoor, small footprint automated greenhouse for growing a wide variety of produce efficiently, where power consumption is kept to a manageable level? I'm probably going to start a small scale, automated hydroponics project, we'll see how that goes. Overall, are there other QoL aspects that can be included to ensure that the likelihood of this way of living is maintained? Cheers~

>>11622 With WFH there was a lot of not leaving ones property. The problem you suggest is that it must be both 1. Self Sustaining, and 2. a NEET friendly home. By this logic, you would need to make money without working once you have invested in the initial setup. Web hosting or crypto mining seem like the most logical in your case, but if you have the money to invest and accelerate the dystopian downfall, there is always real estate investing or whatever. So with this in mind, you can tackle the other part. First you need to consider the amount of material in and out. You can have food delivered, and pay someone to clean and take the trash out, meaning you never need to leave the house. You can do this even cheaper if you give someone a room to live in. If you mean something done with your own hands, growing food is a pain, and you would need a lot to get it to work. For automated hydroponics, check the Next level farming and Growing beyond Earth campaigns done by NASA, where people hacked 3d printers to grow and harvest food for you, or use automation to grow huge amounts of food in small enclosed spaces with very little maintenance. The alternative is literally just go into the woods and live off the land, but that is a whole job by itself

Web hosting sounds like something I would be interested in learning about, mainly more server programming and management in general. Do you have any resources on that, or know of any roadmap someone has made in getting started with server web hosting? I checked out Growing Beyond Earth resources, whole thing seems valuable to what I'm interested in doing, so definitely going to read more into that and then see where I can go from there.

If you had a house built like a Roman villa, with four long wings arranged in a rectangle around a central garden, you could "go outside" without leaving your house. And you could grow your food there, too.

>>11624 The documentary Cyberbunker really demonstrates exactly how this could be done. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt29472617/ The tl:dr is a bunch of hackers acquired a bunker and turned it into a server center and became really successful to the point to where they were virtually untouchable until they got infiltrated by the German CIA. Server centers usually need a lot of local approvals because you end up with a lot of hardware and that means a lot of electricity, and you might get raided like people running crypto mining operations in their garage and police thinking it was a drug operation. Your main expenses will be hardware backups and cooling, electricity, and internet. where you will also need to install the infrastructure facilities to transfer high volumes of data, since most residential internet is capped or throttled. https://www.techtarget.com/searchdatacenter/How-to-design-and-build-a-data-center

>>11622 This is an interesting idea. > What could I do to maximize my chances of being able to subsist at home without having to step outside if there isn't a necessary need for it? Modify or build your home in such a way that it is extremely durable and fault tolerant, and so that if it does fail, any failures can be easily managed with as little effort as possible. As >>116290 mentioned, a bunker is a viable option, as shown by Cyberbunker. WikiLeaks did the same thing when they began hosting their site [0]. I don't pretend to understand the logistics of owning (I doubt you'd want to rent such a structure for fear of eviction) a bunker, but I wager you would need some sort of consistent income stream to acquire and maintain it. In terms of building your home, Aaron Clarey put forward the idea of a "Bachelor Hut" - you buy a plot of land within internet range, then install a small prefabricated shack that you can build up as your needs grow [1]. The concept has been around for some time, but I read about it from him. > Are there other forms of income that can be managed entirely from home? Some form of remote consulting, most likely. Additionally, investing, both in real estate as >>11623 mentioned as well as the stock market and other similar ventures. > Are there other passive income options as well? Investing, most likely. How 'passive' this is depends on how much effort you can allocate to it while it's still not a full time profession. One thing I've yet to see mentioned is knowledge and information access. It's best to build the home with the assumption that internet and other network access will be sparce, if not nonexistent, regardless of the current circumstances. With that in mind, look into data hoarding techniques for long-term storage of important information (medical knowledge, growing food and purifying water, building and repair techniques, etc). Also, some forms of entertainment - perhaps you're a saint that can comfortably dwell in their mind for all of eternity, but on the off chance you're not it won't hurt to have an archive of books, music, shows, movies, etc. that you can use to occupy your time. Use open source software that you can build and compile offline, on your hardware, whenever you like. Further reading: https://dhitma.neocities.org/ - Data Hoarding https://rentry.co/FMHY - """"Free"""" Media https://infrablog.lain.la/hosting-from-home - Brief guide on hosting services from home https://drewdevault.com/2017/06/19/Archive-it-or-miss-it.html - Reasons and methodology on archiving media [0] https://x.com/wikileaks/status/22578653762, [1] https://youtube.com/watch?v=DyFw4o5sy6Q

>>11631 Expanding on this, it takes money to make money in any investment strategy, which is why providing services is easier than trying to deal with real estate or stocks. As long as your servers run fine, you just have to make sure you don't have any fires or power outages. also depending on the country, you can get arrested if your customers use your servers to host illegal material. The easiest way to be self sustaining is obviously to form a doomsday cult, and then convince people to work for you for free.

OP here, got a chance to watch cyberbunker like someone suggested, was wondering if there is a way to estimate the power requirements for a given server setup that receives a certain level of traffic. Depending on size, I would want to know if renewable energy sources (solar panels for example) would be able to meet the demands. Since the goal is self sustainability, a source of energy is going to be important, but how feasible would running a server farm given its size via strictly renewable sources be? Has anyone ever seen any particular example of this being done successfully with high reliability? Also found a pdf that discusses measure of datacenter efficiency, and they talk about mitigating overhead such as cooling requirements, and smart networks that dynamically adjust for idle servers so they don't waste energy when not computing server requests. Are there certain design choices that intrinsically mitigate some of the needed overhead power requirements and help make such systems more efficient?

>how feasible would running a server farm given its size via strictly renewable sources be? that would be very expensive if you want to keep your servers running at night. Batteries are consumable, so it might be more sensible to stay connected to the grid. >Are there certain design choices that intrinsically mitigate some of the needed overhead power requirements and help make such systems more efficient? An obvious idea is to install your servers someplace naturally cool, such as a cave. You can also use the generated heat for heating water or your house.

>>11622 It isn't "self sustaining" per se, but get a stockpile of rice and dried beans cooking oil etc. You basically never have to go to the grocery unless you want to, a few hundred dollars worth of food in this form lasts years without restocking. I started doing this after covid hit, it's very comfy.

>>11646 you should probably connect to the grid and buy power at night and sell power during the day to keep the servers running

>>11631 Can someone post what that wikileaks tweet contains, I refuse to use twitter because it doesn't work with firefox's tracking protection

>>11730 use nitter but here: >WikiLeaks >@wikileaks >31 Aug 2010 >New WikiLeaks servers placed in nuclear bunker http://bit.ly/cvjdz6 >Aug 31, 2010 · 2:23 AM UTC

>>11731 i thought nitter died

>>11732 there is nitter.poast.org , you can use that.

Friendly reminder that the world is huge and beautiful. If you live in the First World, you can probably sell your house for a six-figure amount, buy a parcel elsewhere for a five-figure amount, invest the rest, and live off interest for the rest of your life. You don't even need to get a remote job.

>>11776 By this you mean move to a 2nd or 3rd world country?

>>11776 name a poor country that is free + stable + low-crime enough to be safe long-term. please. i'm begging you. eastern europe was my go-to 10 years ago, but it is clearly not stable enough to do the trick. south america is (afaik) a soykafhole teetering on the edge of collapse. (sans brazil, maybe the rural areas are safe there i dunno) africa need not apply. same for india/china/middle east. i'd go for russia but not very free and may go pop soon.

>>11843 >russia how to devalue an entire post in one word. russia is a literal soykafhole, always was a literal soykafhole, and will always remain such, it's in mentality. even in western parts of russia there are literally a few cities that somewhat get by the rest is just plain destitute. please kys if possible

>>11776 > If you live in the First World, you can probably sell your house Do you think I was born before 1980?

>>11843 Q: Why is Russia so big and so underpopulated? A: Because it's the part of the world no one else wanted. Maybe look into Romania, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia. Even rural Finland now that it's part of NATO.

>>11850 >Even rural Finland Finland is an arctic country. This tends to result in high energy needs and relatively long winters. It is possible to subsist by farming, but it would be hard work. Greenland actually reaches further south than Helsinki.

>>11622 >NEET >Self-Sustaining

>>11855 Well technically, a man who lives off the land is neither employed nor in education, so those aren't the only two ways of sustenance

>>11856 Taxes. They built the system so that economic participation is mandatory. You have to produce and sell goods, or live off someone else and barter (or blackmail) but they technically own your land.

>>11857 The Amish and similar groups dont have to pay Social Security taxes and Medicare. They also dont have sales taxes in Montana. But even they have to pay various kinds of taxes still. Property taxes really should be more progressive taxes so people owning reasonable amounts of land for personal use dont have to pay. It is understandable why large lands are taxed or else you would have real estate agents owning all land.

>>11843 >name a poor country that is free + stable + low-crime enough to be safe long-term Chile.

>>11843 Costa Rica ranks highest on the Happiness Index out of developing countries. It ranks higher than countries like the US.

>>11622 In ideal world there would be communes for NEETs. I remember there being Lain Commune thread. Personally I would imitate some aspects of Amish communities. Also, monks live at a monastery for a reason. They won't go insane when there are other people around and it's good for practical reasons, too. They help each other and it's more easy to manage chores. > I want to minimize the amount of interaction I have with the outside world That's not good for your mental health or sanity because humans are social animals. I'm speaking from my experiences (I have been a NEET for many years now).

>>11884 >That's not good for your mental health or sanity because humans are social animals. >trust me again? please stop being stubborn and face reality. how can you be so delusional?

>>11888 I think one day you'll figure it out

>>11890 my argument: hermits. yours?

>>11622 You have the same goals as mine, just more extreme. I am working towards a full time dev job I can do from home. one thing is fitness can't be forgotten having a home gym will go a long way.

>>11884 I think it might be really hard to make that work well, one reason being interpersonal drama, especially an issue when the group of people in question has already been selected for dysfunctional individuals. Other problems would include, expense of real estate, contempt from local authorities and community and the regulations they have available to wield against you, the question of where does the money to keep it running come from. Also the issue of, how do you keep it on the organizational/leadership side from becoming a predatory cult that exploits and abuses the collection of vulnerable people it has put together. That said it's an interesting idea, just a daunting one. It is easier at least to imagine how as a single lone individual you might achieve a sustainable neet lifestyle, because while harder, less efficient, maybe less mentally healthy to do things on your own the problem is simplified and there are fewer unknowns.

>>11622 Okay I just spent too much time looking into this But it was fun. So the biggest thing you need to make any part of this to work is money, WOW shocker right? Coding is a great options but you need skills to get the but at least you can develop those skills for free without leaving your home. https://github.com/ossu/computer-science https://roadmap.sh/ Once you get does skills you need a job, look at Joshua Fluke(https://www.youtube.com/@JoshuaFluke1/playlists) for advice on getting a job and dealing with recruiters. You got a job and income but its not passive and looking into passive incomes, I didn't real find anything past bonds, some crypto and maybe some blue chip stocks. Real estate can quickly eat up all of your time. I was going to write more but I am stopping here, for now at least.

>>11843 >sans brazil, maybe the rural areas are safe there i dunno Brazil is a hellhole. You can hear people being loud and soykafty from the middle of the Amazon. And no, there is nowhere safe in any inch of Brazil. There are specialized criminals for everything here, including mugging jungle hobos, stealing small farms from people who subsist, etc. Don't come, please, this is literally the most unforgiving place in the world. And if you know any brazilians in your area, give 'em back, they will destroy your neighboorhood and eventually your nation. Peace

>>12158 This is fake news. Brazil's pretty good. Just dont be dumb.

>>12158 >>12176 Portuguese is a cool language and they is a lot of Brazilian Portuguese online so I kinda want to learn it.

Glad this thread got bumped, i wanted to reply a long time ago but i was lazy. >>12061 You make some pretty good points, i would like to get something like that going, theres a lot of factors but i think if i take it slow it will work out. My parents got a bunch of land that they dont know what to do with, until recently when i figured out somewhat a plan. Things is every piece of property has a one or more huge catches. One of them is an apartement that is perfect for growing stuff, but its in another country and i have no vehicle and lots of stuff. My plan is to try and see if i can setup a self sustainable apartement, but im gonna need help, i want to try coordinate with friends, but it might be useful/needed to have a bunch of lains make us a neet hut. I got tons of gardening materials that can be used indoors but i need to get it there, set it up and then have it self running. I think a lot of it comes down to being able to make a eco system that is self enclosed and resource efficient with minimal needs. There is no reason people cant grow most or much of the stuff that they need day to day, its just a lot of spaces and resources remain unused and most think of big gains rather than small gains. Il certainly keep yall updated and when the time comes look for some lains who would want to take the oppertunity of collaborating. I got so much stuff and work and it keeps getting out of hand, maybe one day we could setup one of those lain communes, but it will take much work and organisation.

The hard part about doing that is the fact you have to eat food, or something else healthy, so unless you want to consume slop 90% of the time or are extremely lucky, good luck. Also, if you don't like living around people, as in my case, you'll pretty much have no way to do this. Now if you started to farm as a NEET, you could actually go further. Live somewhere with extremely low property taxes, in the case of the US, some of the southern states have the lowest property tax out of any states, and are decent for farming as well. Chickens I've heard are a good start, for example, their eggs you can take and then later you can also eat the chickens. Idk exactly, I am still looking into self-sustainability myself and probably will for a long time. I do hope to be on a farm one day, and if I don't stop using technology entirely then I will just use extremely old laptops and email, probably sending everything over VPN or I2P.

>>12176 For casual tourists that can only access sandbox versions of very specific regions in Brazil for a few weeks, sure. But hey, suit yourself. I'm just saying 'cause I have a lifetime of practical experience, including remote countryside. Also, authoritarianism is on the rise here and the economy will crash soon, not the most suitable place for "settling in", specially in rural areas which have it's own type of human nastiness and crime. You WILL be reminded that you have neighbors, my friend, doesn't matter in what sort of nowhere you get yourself into. But then again, believe whatever the hell you want. >>12204 Brazilian portuguese is indeed the most beautiful language in the world. Ain't worth to risk your life for it, though, just stick to online learning. IDK, sometimes I wonder if remote places in Eastern Europe or Asia would do the trick, but the world is just a huge pile of soykaf. North America, maybe? The Amish are there. In Bolivia there are Menonites. >>11884 This isn't a reality because nobody would take matters to their hands and do it. >make a community >try to include reliable people, which is the most difficult part, notice I'm not even saying useful people, just reliable >organize a crowdfunding effort with these people, buy a large piece of land, and divide it into smaller properties proportional to the amount each person contributed >start producing the basic for your living >rely on your fellow lainchanners for stuff they do better than you Nothing more than that.

>>13154 reported fuarrrk you eat soykaf kill yourself

>>12236 I think a completely offline neocities and imageboard hybrid would be possible. Each day, members of the community will write a letter and optionally attach an image to their letters. Each member will put their letters in cylindrical metal flasks and send them off to the imageboard clerk's house through negative pressure tubes. He will collect these letters and images, curate them, throw out some bad letters and gather the rest into a booklet/newspaper sort of thing. He will then print these out and deliver the booklets to each mailbox the next day. The imageboard clerk (also, mail carrier) will not be compensated for any of this and will pay for printing and travel expenses completely out of his pocket. What do you think?

>is it possible to design an indoor, small footprint automated greenhouse for growing a wide variety of produce efficiently, where power consumption is kept to a manageable level? >I'm probably going to start a small scale, automated hydroponics project, we'll see how that goes. >I checked out Growing Beyond Earth resources, whole thing seems valuable to what I'm interested in doing, so definitely going to read more into that and then see where I can go from there. How has there been zero posts calling out this jackass on his crap? For one thing, he obviously doesn't know what 'NEET' means. He has no concept of how much energy a human expends compared to how much energy a few leafy greens from a paltry indoor garden will give you. I mean come on, a person needs to eat like, half of a non-roided chicken to not starve every day, can you get half a chicken's worth of leaves every day? This guy thinks he can make a hyper-efficient farm and sling code all day, but then has to ask how to do web hosting and server programming. Yeah, let's hear how this project went OP, I really wonder! I'm just puzzled that all of you entertained these ideas without objection. Sure, we've all had this exact same fantasy of not having to deal with the bullcrap of society and other people, of independence and hardiness. But people like OP are demonstrably not independent. A person who could do this probably wouldn't be here asking for help, but be collecting knowledge and figuring it out themselves.

>>13177 OP was asking a question, not trying to insist it was possible. The question was how much could be minimized reasonably. If you disagree with the idea of it being possible at all that's fine, but calling OP a jackass like they weren't just interested in asking a question is unnecessary.

>>13156 I think I was trying to offer a relatively realistic take on how build up an independent community based on what I thought was actually possible and that you are attempting me to mock me because of that. But a few months have passed since my last post and I'd happily admit I don't think it's even possible to have anything remotely resembled to a strong subculture anymore, online or not.

>>13204 I was in my play mindset when I posted that. Sorry if it came through as mockery.

>>13206 Nah, don't worry about that. Turns out that your playful suggestion is as improbable to happen as putting 4 different people on a property to work together on a self sustainable and decentralized project. I seriously think that the "NEET" project is more likely to succeed, an individual can do way more than a community with the right mind (although nothing without money).

>>11890 This is all a personality build thing. You either have the ability to go without socializing or you don't. The people who don't are the most loud and vocal authorities on the subject in general which is why they are constantly projecting this personality type to humanity as a whole. The people with the ability to deal without socializing aren't there to tell you about it, maybe one day you'll meet one

>>13219 >>13219 ... not sure if I'm one at this point INB4 F10D D373(73D

I have now a very nice place of my own, with a garden that has a lot of potential. Still settling in and working on lots of stuff, but in the future i want to try this and do this very professional. I have good books on biology, chemistry, nutrition, medicine, genetics, plants and whatnot. The fundamental thing about biology is energy, most nutrition is there for gaining energy, others are the pieces your body needs to operate. My intention is to calculate calorie use and the like in many ways, not just theory but also use calorie counters and set up a laboratory for bio electric research, including magnetism and suchsort. This year is almost over so im not gonna start now but next year i will setup many growing operations, both in and outdoor, of all types and kinds and increasingly use high tech realtime measurments to see what really goes on. There are very many plants that can be used in many ways, i got access to a whole lot and intend to max out. Shit happens in life but im here for good and gonna do this thing to the end. Id be more than happy to get lains involved once the foundation is solid and i get my life in order. Certainly next year i will have some interesting things to share. Most certainly the potential is there now for good, i intend to go all the way with this.

>>13219 >>13219 A-ha! Vocerous minority of people who NEEDS socializing to LIVE ends up being PROS at socializing. Good. You've described a hypothetical "normal person complex"

>>13219 Ah! A vocerous minority of people who just lack some neural connections in their heads to make decisions! That explains the exorbant need in having means of communication.